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RE: RE: RE: I have hope Posted by sp25306 on Nov 13, 2008 11:24 I could not read your article, the link would not open. For starters, who is going to pay for this universal health care? You? Within the past month an article was written about the national health care system in Great Britain. The head of the medical ethics committee stated that those with dementia were a drain the national health care resources and should seriously consider having themselves put down. Beings as I get the majority of my news from WND I am guessing this is probably where I found the article or at least the link to it. We have the Oregon Health Plan as I stated in my post. Another incident where a woman here needed some costly treatment and was basically told it was to expensive but they would help cover the cost for physician suicide should she want it. So what happens when we have this so-called wonderful universal health care and there is no one paying for it so to cut expenses we start demanding people be "put down". Where do we stop? Just those that are terminal? How about the elderly? Infants born prematurely? (Oh wait, I forgot, chairman maobama wants abortion to be the norm). Will I get to tell you how to live your life and what you can and cannot do or eat because you are receiving this free health care? (By the way, nothing is free, someone will be paying for it). Would you like to know what kind of care you can expect? Like I said, my sister is on the OHP. The protective layers around the nerves in her neck are deteriorating leaving them exposed and rubbing on her discs. My parents' neighbor had the same exact problem around the same time. She went to a private physician and had one operation and has been pain free ever since. My sister has gone to numerous doctors (back alley quacks in my opinion) and has at least 6 different operations to correct the problem. One operation they fused the wrong discs together and in another operation removed the wrong disc. They have yet to correct the problem. They have her so heavily medicated to help with the pain that she has trouble holding a thought and cannot remember five minutes ago what happened. If she does not take her medication so she can have a conversation, she cannot be up for more than an hour before the pain is so excruciating that she has lay down for several days just to get it under control. This is the OHP for you. They have cut back on the type of pain meds they give her now, was costing them to much. This is what your universal free health care is going to consist of. Only with chairman maobama's plan, those like my sister will be slated to be put down to keep costs down. Doctors will be so over-worked and underpaid that they will not have an incentive to remain in the medical field. I know this is a long post but it just makes me so furious when I see people embrace such an idiotic idea that cannot work, all one has to do is open their eyes and look at the whole picture. Universal health care will not be free......someone will have to pay for it, either out of their pockets or with their life or the life of a loved one. And with chairman maobama taking away all incentive to work because of his empty promise of a free ride, where do you suppose this money is going to come from to pay for it? No jobs means no paychecks which means no taxes. You do the math. When did it become universal health care? I thought during the campaign it was national health care. Either way, it is a disaster in the making.
Reply to: marginsI'm very pleased with the election of Obama and do believe that universal healthcare is worth a shot. Have a look at a Canadian describing his experience and comments. http://www.nowpublic.com/health/10-myths-about-canadian-health-care-busted
RE: RE: I have hope Posted by margins on Nov 12, 2008 21:20 I'm very pleased with the election of Obama and do believe that universal healthcare is worth a shot. Have a look at a Canadian describing his experience and comments. http://www.nowpublic.com/health/10-myths-about-canadian-health-care-busted
color=0000FF>Reply to: sp25306I don't believe obama's universal health care plan will be successful. I think the quality of health care will deteriorate dramatically. We have the Oregon Health Plan, a state run health plan and it is deplorable at best. My sister is on it and I can tell you horror stories of what she has endured at their hands. I too, do not like the fact we are in Iraq fighting a war. But the fact is we are and I have to support President Bush's decision to be there. Once obama takes office and waves the white flag of surrender over there, then I think we shall see more terrorist attacks on our soil with the war possibly be fought here at home. Of course, if obama gets his way we will be unarmed citizens with no way to protect ourselves. Sure paints a cheery picture doesn't it. I think obama is wrong for treating our prisoners of war like citizens of this country. Our soldiers being held prisoners in Iraq I'm sure will receive the same courtesy by Iraqis. I think they should be held until this war is over. Then you go on to say that <<I remain hopeful about the restoral of constitutional civil liberties that have been eliminated, or at the least effectively undermined under the current administration.>> Under obama we will have absolutely no constitutional civil liberties. We will have no liberties at all for he has a communist agenda and communism has no room for freedoms. I am sorry you voted for obama, I feel even more sorry for you when you finally wake up and see the evil this man has for this country. I do not care that you want communism and therefore voted for him, that is your right and your choice. I do think it is very wrong however that those of us who believe in the Constitution will have to suffer for your choice. We did not ask for a communist regime.
RE: Thank God for Obama Posted by sp25306 on Nov 12, 2008 18:26 The difference between a conservative and a liberal: conservatives think......they have the intelligence to think for themselves. Liberals feel......feel what the collective tells them to feel. You feel you ended the stupidity of the GOP when in reality all you ended was freedom as we know it. We have already come to know this as the day the collective stupid killed America and our Constitution. Can you say comrade obama. Let's face it, obama took the election through A. voter fraud, B. blatant brainwashing by the media (the stupid are so easily manipulated) C. illegal campaign contributions and D. lies and empty promises.
Reply to: Black GriffI am proud that Obama will be the 44th president of the United States. I feel that I am among a group that ended the stupidity of GOP rule! One day the fringe right will come to know this day as the time they actually had to think before they spoke! I hope that for all the ignorance that will be spewed after this post: A. Some of you will take a shower. B. Some of you will invest in a higher education other than 2nd apprentice for a nail holder on a construction site (OOPS he missed again!). C. All of you will un-lodge Hannity from your rectum. D. Reagan cannot be brought be back by artificially inseminating Palin. D. Your cable package came with more channels than Fox News. and E. Joe the plumber can still pulled McCain's Diaper out of the toilet without a cabinet position.
RE: I have hope Posted by sp25306 on Nov 12, 2008 18:17 I don't believe obama's universal health care plan will be successful. I think the quality of health care will deteriorate dramatically. We have the Oregon Health Plan, a state run health plan and it is deplorable at best. My sister is on it and I can tell you horror stories of what she has endured at their hands. I too, do not like the fact we are in Iraq fighting a war. But the fact is we are and I have to support President Bush's decision to be there. Once obama takes office and waves the white flag of surrender over there, then I think we shall see more terrorist attacks on our soil with the war possibly be fought here at home. Of course, if obama gets his way we will be unarmed citizens with no way to protect ourselves. Sure paints a cheery picture doesn't it. I think obama is wrong for treating our prisoners of war like citizens of this country. Our soldiers being held prisoners in Iraq I'm sure will receive the same courtesy by Iraqis. I think they should be held until this war is over. Then you go on to say that <<I remain hopeful about the restoral of constitutional civil liberties that have been eliminated, or at the least effectively undermined under the current administration.>> Under obama we will have absolutely no constitutional civil liberties. We will have no liberties at all for he has a communist agenda and communism has no room for freedoms. I am sorry you voted for obama, I feel even more sorry for you when you finally wake up and see the evil this man has for this country. I do not care that you want communism and therefore voted for him, that is your right and your choice. I do think it is very wrong however that those of us who believe in the Constitution will have to suffer for your choice. We did not ask for a communist regime.
Reply to: an83040I’m cautiously optimistic. Yes, I voted for Mr. Obama, and you may feel free to demonize, vilify, insult, and hate on me because of it. I hope it warms your heart. I don’t worship Mr. Obama. I don’t think that he is the coming of antichrist, nor the second coming of Black Jesus. He’s just a politician, and like any other he could be a good choice or a bad one. As always, we will have to wait and see what he does from here on out. As one of the candidates in this election that had a chance of actually winning, he expressed the set of policies that were closest to my own beliefs. I don’t think we should be in Iraq. He expressed his intent to end the war in Iraq and focus on finding UBL. I likewise believe we need to end our dependence not only on foreign oil but on oil in general, especially for transportation. Drilling in various parts of the country for oil will, at best, be a stopgap; and according to various sources probably will not produce results for 10 years at least. If we spend the money to create and make available vehicles that run on things other than gas, we could significantly reduce our dependence on oil from any source in a similar 10 years. And while nuclear power is a possible alternative, it has significant hazards. If you don’t believe that, I can find you the name and number of the guy in Ukraine that gives tours of the Chernobyl Nuclear Exclusion Zone. I don’t know if Mr. Obama’s plan to try to provide healthcare for everyone will be successful, but I liked the sound of it. Especially since you have the choice to keep what you have, or switch to the government health plan. You’ll notice that I don’t mention the economy here. My understanding of economics extends to managing my finances, but not much beyond that. I remain hopeful about the restoral of constitutional civil liberties that have been eliminated, or at the least effectively undermined under the current administration. Secret warrants, warrantless wiretapping, extralegal prisons, torture, and the refusal of habeus corpus. I am pleased to see that the President-elect has announced that the Guantanamo detainees will receive proper (and legal) trials in the US. I applaud it as a step in the right direction, but it remains to be seen what course he will take on some of the other issues. I hope that the United States has turned a corner, and that we can begin to set our selves right.
RE: RE: Thank God for Obama Posted by BlackGriff on Nov 12, 2008 14:15 Yes, Quick Draw Magraw I bet you have many weapons on your dude ranch. Please do something constructive and do not end up like many of your friends playing chess in a small locked room with your opponent in another via yelling piece positions. The Election of Obama is a time to choose intelligence over pigment bias. Christ sake its 2008 try and stay on Earth a little longer and don't play try and protect yourself and end as fertilizer for the South instead of a leader of men.
Reply to: coreyTo: Black Griff My reaction to Obama's election and your post- To protect myself from you "Affirmative Action" types? I went out to buy a few more thousand cartridges. Deo Vindice!
RE: Thank God for Obama Posted by corey on Nov 12, 2008 06:26 To: Black Griff My reaction to Obama's election and your post- To protect myself from you "Affirmative Action" types? I went out to buy a few more thousand cartridges. Deo Vindice!
RE: I have hope Posted by KELLI2L on Nov 10, 2008 18:09 I hear what you say but don't understand why anyone would vote for a politician who's advisors actually stated that his promises to people were election talk (just to get elected) yet people like YOU voted for him anyway !!! And then again, when he changed his mind on so many of those issues (again just to get elected) how could people not see that and distrust him??? When I see people vote for Bush and then vote for Obama I just think they are stupid, stupid, stupid. . . Now that he got elected he has said he may not be able to get the promises done. Don't you realize that he never intended to - he lied to you. . . . and it wasn't an accidental event, he lied knowingly. . . . Just YOU (and people like you) didn't want to admit it. . . We need to teach people how to vote for a good president and how to recognize a dishonest one. Then and only then will we get better politicians in our government.
A president this dirty can't be good for us Posted by KELLI2L on Nov 10, 2008 17:58 The Obama campaign played every dirty trick in the book to win against Hillary and then McCain. Since when is it a good thing to have a president - this dirty. . . . . And when you consider his penchant toward Socialist and Marxist ways, plus connections to Shariah law - it just seems he will bring the kind of change for America that is NOT good. . . .
I have hope Posted by an83040 on Nov 10, 2008 17:45 I’m cautiously optimistic. Yes, I voted for Mr. Obama, and you may feel free to demonize, vilify, insult, and hate on me because of it. I hope it warms your heart. I don’t worship Mr. Obama. I don’t think that he is the coming of antichrist, nor the second coming of Black Jesus. He’s just a politician, and like any other he could be a good choice or a bad one. As always, we will have to wait and see what he does from here on out. As one of the candidates in this election that had a chance of actually winning, he expressed the set of policies that were closest to my own beliefs. I don’t think we should be in Iraq. He expressed his intent to end the war in Iraq and focus on finding UBL. I likewise believe we need to end our dependence not only on foreign oil but on oil in general, especially for transportation. Drilling in various parts of the country for oil will, at best, be a stopgap; and according to various sources probably will not produce results for 10 years at least. If we spend the money to create and make available vehicles that run on things other than gas, we could significantly reduce our dependence on oil from any source in a similar 10 years. And while nuclear power is a possible alternative, it has significant hazards. If you don’t believe that, I can find you the name and number of the guy in Ukraine that gives tours of the Chernobyl Nuclear Exclusion Zone. I don’t know if Mr. Obama’s plan to try to provide healthcare for everyone will be successful, but I liked the sound of it. Especially since you have the choice to keep what you have, or switch to the government health plan. You’ll notice that I don’t mention the economy here. My understanding of economics extends to managing my finances, but not much beyond that. I remain hopeful about the restoral of constitutional civil liberties that have been eliminated, or at the least effectively undermined under the current administration. Secret warrants, warrantless wiretapping, extralegal prisons, torture, and the refusal of habeus corpus. I am pleased to see that the President-elect has announced that the Guantanamo detainees will receive proper (and legal) trials in the US. I applaud it as a step in the right direction, but it remains to be seen what course he will take on some of the other issues. I hope that the United States has turned a corner, and that we can begin to set our selves right.
Thank God for Obama Posted by Black Griff on Nov 10, 2008 14:57 I am proud that Obama will be the 44th president of the United States. I feel that I am among a group that ended the stupidity of GOP rule! One day the fringe right will come to know this day as the time they actually had to think before they spoke! I hope that for all the ignorance that will be spewed after this post: A. Some of you will take a shower. B. Some of you will invest in a higher education other than 2nd apprentice for a nail holder on a construction site (OOPS he missed again!). C. All of you will un-lodge Hannity from your rectum. D. Reagan cannot be brought be back by artificially inseminating Palin. D. Your cable package came with more channels than Fox News. and E. Joe the plumber can still pulled McCain's Diaper out of the toilet without a cabinet position.
