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IS OBAMA ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT?
What do you make of the Barack Obama birth certificate issue?
Barack Obama
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Barack Obama may have won the presidential election, but is he eligible to serve? That's a question on the minds of millions of Americans eager to see his birth certificate and find out for sure if he was born in the U.S., as he claims. At least two of his relatives in Kenya claim to have been present at his birth in Mombasa, Kenya. In addition, the Obama machine has scoffed at requests to see the form of the Hawaiian birth certificate that includes the specific hospital in which the delivery took place. The form released by the campaign does not include that information, leading to suspicions Obama might have been one of the foreign-born babies of the 1960s who were, nonetheless, provided birth certificates by the state of Hawaii. Now it's time for you to sound off on this controversy.
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Obama eligible to be the president?
Posted by dskancer on Feb 09, 2010 01:05
Absolutely NO - not in my country! He swore to protect and uphold the U.S. Constitution and has done nothing but try to destroy it since becoming what would be a president's position.
He has pais a large amount to cover his past records and refuses to reveal who he really "is" to the people of America, thereby showing himself as a fraud.
Acting AS an African/American he has disgraced the BLACK American side of his so called hertige - pretending to be a black when only 5% of hisself is actually black - the rest is Kenyan and not of American heritage or Chriatian MORALS - - but definitely the destructive side of the MUSLEM world that intends to destroy the very grounds he pretends to protect from "evil".
So even the most basics show he is NOT ELIGIBLE...
Keep pounding Obama on his elig issue. He is cracking up!
Posted by chrisnj on Feb 08, 2010 15:49
Obama is not contitutionally eligible to be POTUS. It does not matter where he was born. He was born to a British subject father and so he was born a British based on the 1948 British Nationality Act. Even if he has genuine proof of his US birth and his mother met the age and residency requirement to confer citizenship to him, he is at best a US citizen, not a natural born citizen because a natural born citizen is one born on US soil to 2 US citizen parentS. US contitution article 2 section 1 clause 5 states that only a natural born citizen can be US president.
So don't bother to ask him for his bc. He was using that as smoke and moirrors to distract and divert us from the real issue.
Look at Resolution 511 in April 2008 co-sponsored by Obama himself. It states clearly that a nbc is one that is born on US soil to 2 US citizen parents! How conveniently Obama forgets or ignores his very own resolution! He calls himself a constitutional lawyer? McCain had to show his genuine bc when his eligibility was questioned at time of Res. 511. Why is Obama so special that he only has to show a digital image of a 'Certification of Live Birth' online by an unauthorized non-governmental website, a cert that Hawaii refused to vouch that he had applied from them?
Why does he have to spend over a million bucks to hide all his records/documents? Why did his supporters have to dig out a newspaper birth announcement showing no name of the new born, just a 'male' born to 2 people who are supposed to be his parents?
Even if his bc is relevant, it does not take a genius to see the 'COLB' and newspaper announcement are not credible proofs of place of birth!
RE: Eligibility
Posted by su359115 on Feb 08, 2010 10:37
Welcome Bob, and other new recent contributors.
The success of the Tea Party, and the plank in their platform concerned with Obama's eligibility requires more than just the birth certificate.
Obama's refusal to produce the certificate suggests that he doesn't have one . . . one from Hawaii that is.
However, the hotly debated topic in the forum has been if a dual national at birth meets the intended definition of Article II's 'Natural Born Citizen.'
I suggest you check out http://paralegalnm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/barack-hussein-obama-a-natural-born-subject-of-great-britain/ for a start. It is a summary of discussed facts from this forum, plus my own research.
Reply to: bob46
I wanted to say a word since the first Tea Party has come and gone. There seems to be consternation about the eligibility of Hussein at every turn, even among groups or individuals that one would think were on the same page. So, I think that some people are operating from a position of fear. There are those that don't want any conservative to speak about the eligibility subject because of fearing what others on the left or right will think. Let me ask a question. Does any self respecting conservative or republican really fear what a Rachel Maddow might say or think? Or, Chris Matthews, or Obermann or whatever his name is? No, absolutly not. These people I've mentioned are insane. Nobody cares what they think. So, stop being afraid of what they may say or print. They're looney-toons, forget about them. The truth is that the eligibility question is not going away until the idiot obamao comes up with a valid birth certificate. And, after some of ( Pelosi, Reid )the leftist are proven to have committed treason along with obamao, we'll throw them in jail where they have belonged for such a long time. So, lastly, if some of our so called compadres don't have the stomach for the fight than stay out of the kitchen. It's going to get a whole lot messier that it is right now.
Eligibility
Posted by bob46 on Feb 07, 2010 16:43
I wanted to say a word since the first Tea Party has come and gone. There seems to be consternation about the eligibility of Hussein at every turn, even among groups or individuals that one would think were on the same page. So, I think that some people are operating from a position of fear. There are those that don't want any conservative to speak about the eligibility subject because of fearing what others on the left or right will think. Let me ask a question. Does any self respecting conservative or republican really fear what a Rachel Maddow might say or think? Or, Chris Matthews, or Obermann or whatever his name is? No, absolutly not. These people I've mentioned are insane. Nobody cares what they think. So, stop being afraid of what they may say or print. They're looney-toons, forget about them. The truth is that the eligibility question is not going away until the idiot obamao comes up with a valid birth certificate. And, after some of ( Pelosi, Reid )the leftist are proven to have committed treason along with obamao, we'll throw them in jail where they have belonged for such a long time. So, lastly, if some of our so called compadres don't have the stomach for the fight than stay out of the kitchen. It's going to get a whole lot messier that it is right now.
RE: Don
Posted by su359115 on Feb 07, 2010 12:33
A true American cannot ignore such a gross violation of constitutional law. That is, in itself, an act of treason by omission.
We are not a 'one-trick pony' act. I've been strongly pursuing research and communication fighting the socialist nationalization of our Healthcare system. Blue Cross Blue Shield is reviewing my legal memo on the subject, and I am sending it to an investigative reporter tomorrow.
The Liacakos vs. Kennedy case is the kind of flimsy case law Obamatons must rely on. In this case, a federal judge repeatedly used the term 'natural born citizen' when 'native-born' was the issue.
Liacakos was a reprobate and repeat offender criminal of bad character, who for purposes of his own convenience claimed either U.S. or Greek birth. His only birth record was a late registration from West Virginia.
In the end, the judge relied on testimony from his mother that, indeed, she gave birth to him in W. Virginia, a case law exemption of hearsay rules, to rule Liacakos was a 'natural born citizen' and got him the hell out of his court.
Nowhere in the holding or discussion of law was the definition of 'natural born citizen' analyzed. So, under the concept of 'dicta' and Chief Justice John Marshall's admonission in the Cohen's case, the casual use of the term by the judge did not create law defining the term.
It is a very short and simple case. You can read it at Phoxar's link to a well-known 'birther deconstruction' website at http://tiny.cc/tSeIO
Reply to: Mr. Lucky
When the "leader" of the right wing conspiricy nut house, Glenn Beck, won't jump on the birth certificate band wagon don't you guys realize it's over?
I'm NOT an Obama supporter but the American public elected this radical and now the country is reaping it's rewards.
It's time you Birthers got over this and did something constructive like getting any additional legislation halted - like Tax (Cap) and Trade from passing.
The newspapers in Hawaii that posted the live birth announcements are enough to convince the majority of people and getting Obama out of office on this won't work. Obama won't turn over the "real" certificate because the longer you guys keep harping on this the more and more people like me will tune you out until you make yourselfs a lunatic fringe (right or wrong that is what's happening)
RE: RE: Lucky
Posted by donc4013 on Feb 07, 2010 11:39
Also, the newspaper announcements only say a "son" was born.
They do NOT say Barack Obama was born.
Apparently, Mom and Dad?? were so anxious to post the D of H application for a COLB that they did not name the son. How odd.
Where are the baby pictures of the new born? Most hospitals have photos taken of newborns to provide photos to the parents. Just where are those pictures.
In 1961, did Kenya hospitals have cameras for newborns?
Obama born Mulatto British/Kenya citizen and NEVER NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN.
Reply to: ch22240
The Hawaiian Birth Announcements
The "birth announcement" is on microfilm/fiche from the Honolulu public library microfilm of a notice placed in
the Sunday Advertiser Aug. 13, 1961. The announcement in the "Births, Marriages, Death" section read: "Mr. and
Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4."
However, there has been no evidence that Obama Sr. and Anna Dunham ever lived as a married couple anywhere.
Orland Scott Lefforge owned and occupied the house at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, Orland Scott Lefforge was a Professor at UH at Manoa, Dept. of Speech. The same University that Barack Obama Sr was attending.
In 1961 the Dunhams lived on Kamehameha Avenue, while Obama Sr. lived on 11th Avenue. The Lefforge family,
including their 3 children under the age of seven were residing at the luxury home listed on Obama’s newly found
birth announcement -- 6085 Kalanianaole Highway.
Looking at the time of (possible) birth at 7:24PM on Aug 4th, 1961 in Mombassa, Kenya
Mombasa (Kenya) Tuesday, August 4, 1961 at 8:00:00 PM UTC+3 hours
Honolulu (U.S.A. - Hawaii) Tuesday, August 4, 1961 at 7:00:00 AM UTC-10 hours HAST
Corresponding UTC (GMT) Tuesday, August 4, 1961 at 17:00:00
After the birth, either Stanley or Barack Sr attempted to contact Stanley's parents, also contacting a few friends or atleast one of his teachers at the UH, Orland Lefforge was contacted and either him or his wife was the one that contacted the newspaper, and is that why the Lefforge address is listed in the announcement.
RE: Lucky
Posted by ch22240 on Feb 07, 2010 09:31
The Hawaiian Birth Announcements
The "birth announcement" is on microfilm/fiche from the Honolulu public library microfilm of a notice placed in
the Sunday Advertiser Aug. 13, 1961. The announcement in the "Births, Marriages, Death" section read: "Mr. and
Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4."
However, there has been no evidence that Obama Sr. and Anna Dunham ever lived as a married couple anywhere.
Orland Scott Lefforge owned and occupied the house at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, Orland Scott Lefforge was a Professor at UH at Manoa, Dept. of Speech. The same University that Barack Obama Sr was attending.
In 1961 the Dunhams lived on Kamehameha Avenue, while Obama Sr. lived on 11th Avenue. The Lefforge family,
including their 3 children under the age of seven were residing at the luxury home listed on Obama’s newly found
birth announcement -- 6085 Kalanianaole Highway.
Looking at the time of (possible) birth at 7:24PM on Aug 4th, 1961 in Mombassa, Kenya
Mombasa (Kenya) Tuesday, August 4, 1961 at 8:00:00 PM UTC+3 hours
Honolulu (U.S.A. - Hawaii) Tuesday, August 4, 1961 at 7:00:00 AM UTC-10 hours HAST
Corresponding UTC (GMT) Tuesday, August 4, 1961 at 17:00:00
After the birth, either Stanley or Barack Sr attempted to contact Stanley's parents, also contacting a few friends or atleast one of his teachers at the UH, Orland Lefforge was contacted and either him or his wife was the one that contacted the newspaper, and is that why the Lefforge address is listed in the announcement.
Reply to: ch22240
The birth accouncements decieved a number of people. Even 'Tingles' had to admit that they are not legal documents. They are supplied by the Department of Health to the newspapers, but are obtained by a variety of sources. So anyone filing a birth for whatever reason, that is passed along to the newspaper.
As for Obama leaving office, Christopher S. Bond United States Senator, in a letter to Barack Hussein Obama clearly implicates 'TREASON', as stated quote "The release of this sensitive information has no doubt been helpful to his terrorist cohorts around the world."
Given aid and comfort to the enemy is treason and Bond's statement is yet but one, clearly seeing the true nature of Obamageddon.
Lucky
Posted by ch22240 on Feb 07, 2010 08:42
The birth accouncements decieved a number of people. Even 'Tingles' had to admit that they are not legal documents. They are supplied by the Department of Health to the newspapers, but are obtained by a variety of sources. So anyone filing a birth for whatever reason, that is passed along to the newspaper.
As for Obama leaving office, Christopher S. Bond United States Senator, in a letter to Barack Hussein Obama clearly implicates 'TREASON', as stated quote "The release of this sensitive information has no doubt been helpful to his terrorist cohorts around the world."
Given aid and comfort to the enemy is treason and Bond's statement is yet but one, clearly seeing the true nature of Obamageddon.
Reply to: Mr. Lucky
When the "leader" of the right wing conspiricy nut house, Glenn Beck, won't jump on the birth certificate band wagon don't you guys realize it's over?
I'm NOT an Obama supporter but the American public elected this radical and now the country is reaping it's rewards.
It's time you Birthers got over this and did something constructive like getting any additional legislation halted - like Tax (Cap) and Trade from passing.
The newspapers in Hawaii that posted the live birth announcements are enough to convince the majority of people and getting Obama out of office on this won't work. Obama won't turn over the "real" certificate because the longer you guys keep harping on this the more and more people like me will tune you out until you make yourselfs a lunatic fringe (right or wrong that is what's happening)
Don't you realise
Posted by Mr. Lucky on Feb 07, 2010 07:44
When the "leader" of the right wing conspiricy nut house, Glenn Beck, won't jump on the birth certificate band wagon don't you guys realize it's over?
I'm NOT an Obama supporter but the American public elected this radical and now the country is reaping it's rewards.
It's time you Birthers got over this and did something constructive like getting any additional legislation halted - like Tax (Cap) and Trade from passing.
The newspapers in Hawaii that posted the live birth announcements are enough to convince the majority of people and getting Obama out of office on this won't work. Obama won't turn over the "real" certificate because the longer you guys keep harping on this the more and more people like me will tune you out until you make yourselfs a lunatic fringe (right or wrong that is what's happening)
RE: Keep It Simple
Posted by ch22240 on Feb 06, 2010 17:57
Want simple;
Barack Hussein Obama, born of a foreign father, under foreign law at birth is is opposition and direct conflict with the United States Constitution Article 2 Sec 1, No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President
In a July 25, 1787 letter from John Jay to George Washington, presiding officer of the Convention. Jay wrote:
Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.
Note: Admission of foreigners to our government, expressly that the Commander in Chief. John Jay, the first Supreme Court Justice
The United States Supreme Cout in The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 1814
“Vattel, …is more explicit and more satisfactory on it [CITIZENSHIP ISSUES] than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, [Vattel] says, ‘the citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or indigenes, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.’ ”
What does Vattel, state about 'Natural Born Citizens'
Vattel’s Law of Nations: § 212. Citizens and natives
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
Parents who are Citizens. Again in 2008, at a Judiciary Committee hearing on April 3, Leahy asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge, if he had doubts that McCain was eligible to serve as President.
“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.
“That is mine, too,” said Leahy.
Parents, Plural.
"On every question of construction, carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." --Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823 Reply to: Patriotallday
Lets not get bogged down in "statutes", "clauses", "reference cases", and "fine print".
Keep it simple when getting to the truth regarding Obama's eligibility to be POTUS as a "Natural Born Citizen".
Let's have Obama answer in open court:
1. Have you ever traveled on a passport NOT issued by the United States?
2. Have you ever applied for educational financial aid as a foreign student?
3. Did you attend school under the name of "Barry Soetoro"?
4. When and Where, did you file legal court papers changing your name to "Barack Hussein Obama"?
5. For what purpose did you apply for and use, different Social Security numbers?
6. Did you register for the Selective Service (draft) as was required by U.S. law on your 18th birthday?
7. What passport did you use to travel to Pakistan?
8. Who paid for your flight to Pakistan?
9. For what purpose did you travel to Pakistan?
10. Who paid for your lodging and meals in Pakistan?
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