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McCain by a hair	19% (846)
McCain, as the pre-election polls have been grossly biased and distorted	15% (652)
Obama will win due to massive fraud by Democrats and groups such as ACORN	12% (557)
It doesn't matter who wins, because America loses with both candidates	11% (514)
McCain, because at the last minute, people realize they can't trust Obama	10% (457)
It won't be decided on Election Day because of close voting, fraud and lawsuits	9% (420)
McCain by a landslide	8% (342)
I just don't know	5% (207)
Obama by a landslide	4% (196)
Obama by a hair	3% (145)
Obama, as voters see McCain as the next George Bush	2% (85)
Obama, because Americans want major change	1% (32)
Other	0% (19)
McCain will win because of GOP dirty tricks such as voter suppression	0% (7)

RE: Victory!
Posted by bob on Nov 05, 2008 15:36

What you need is not a shower it is a double dose of laxative. A little focus on reality might also help. I am very much against the illegals in this country working but if were not for affirmative action maybe some people would have gotten off of their lazy butt and worked instead of living off of SSI and food stamps in federal projects.
I have also read the Constitution and it says that you must be a born citizen of this country and I have seen no proof that this Marxist is.

Reply to: sniffage
you fixated on hyperbole from an urban preacher, fantasies of a birth certificate, an acquaintance with a 60's radical, and whether the candidate is a secrete Muslim.
For eight years Bush has been along for the ride. He showed no leadership or intellectual insight. He let political and corporate operatives dictate policy and walk away with most of the treasury. The free market zealots sold you on the idea that we should compete with manual labor of the third world. Bush blew the budget, compromised your civil liberties, betrayed the middle class, and burned diplomatic bridges. It takes intellectual horsepower to defeat your enemies and to compete. Neither McCain or Bush were fit for the challenge.
Republicans ARE the big spenders, big government, and divisive politics.
Obama is the intelligent choice. He has actually read the Constitution. He is responsible for his success. If not for their Dads, we wouldn't have heard of Bush or McCain.
i've been hanging out too long in right wing world. I need to shower.

RE: Victory!
Posted by Got2BFree on Nov 05, 2008 09:21

AMEN, Best post I've read on here and so TRUE!
Thank You!

Reply to: sniffage
you fixated on hyperbole from an urban preacher, fantasies of a birth certificate, an acquaintance with a 60's radical, and whether the candidate is a secrete Muslim.
For eight years Bush has been along for the ride. He showed no leadership or intellectual insight. He let political and corporate operatives dictate policy and walk away with most of the treasury. The free market zealots sold you on the idea that we should compete with manual labor of the third world. Bush blew the budget, compromised your civil liberties, betrayed the middle class, and burned diplomatic bridges. It takes intellectual horsepower to defeat your enemies and to compete. Neither McCain or Bush were fit for the challenge.
Republicans ARE the big spenders, big government, and divisive politics.
Obama is the intelligent choice. He has actually read the Constitution. He is responsible for his success. If not for their Dads, we wouldn't have heard of Bush or McCain.
i've been hanging out too long in right wing world. I need to shower.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: History just keeps repeating itself....
Posted by sp25306 on Nov 05, 2008 08:53

So where is all the money going to come from so comrade obama can help the sick and the poor? Why should any of us work when he wants to take our hard earned money and give it to those who are lazy and refuse to work? he wants a communist agenda and will destroy this country. He will not cause the deaths of tens of thousands? obama who believes abortion is better than "having my child burdened with a baby"........how many tens of thousands of lives have already been lost due to abortion. How about his support of all legislature that refuses treatment to babies who survive abortion? If he is not the anti-Christ then he is the stepping stone for his arrival. I urge everyone to fly their flags at half-mast or upside down for the duration of comrade obama's reign. For our nation died last night along with our Constitution.

Reply to: gh123
Sentiments like yours really sadden me. See, even if McCain had won the election, i would have been proud that our nation went to the polls, exercised its voice, and made a decision. Proud of the exercise of democracy, even if it was a choice I did not prefer. I wouldn't be fearing the worst, assuming the demise of my nation, and making paranoid assertions about the "camps." Your comments about the UN and the"new world order" are totally misguided. People have been fearing the onset of the NWO for a decade now, talking about the camps and black helicopters, the martial law and the death of the Constitution. We haven't taken a single step toward that.

Please don't insult me or anyone else who may have voted for Obama by referring to him as my "messiah." No one other than possibly Al Sharpton-types have ever used that phrase, and then it was only to make a point (still an inappropriate comparison). Websites like this one, of course, have used the term and wrongly attempt to paint all Obama supporters with that brush.

i can easily live with my choice. Obama supports helping the poor, the sick, the oppressed, and won't give preferential treatment to the rich while people in this nation can't buy food or heat their homes. He believes in the dignity of all humanity, not just the select. He won't wage war indiscriminately and cause the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents. Those are biblical principles.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: History just keeps repeating itself....
Posted by margins on Nov 05, 2008 08:32

I've an idea. If your ability to tell the future is smack on, then I'll give 1/2 my salary for a year(yes, I work, and am paid well) to whatever organization you select. I mean your prediction that Obama will never allow another election to take place. Can you offer something in return?

If you are not happy with an offer of money, I'll take on whatever job you ask of me, if your prediction comes true.

Reply to: sp25306
<<But didn't you get a sense of patriotism from listening to Obama's speech?>> When I hear obama speak I am filled with despair and fear. obama is about as patriotic and the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia or Kim Jong-il of North Korea.
<<That was amazing, full of hope, realistic enough to acknowledge that it will be hard work getting us to where we need to be as a nation, but calling out the fact that we are, indeed, a great nation. It sparked a sense of pride.>> If obama thinks this nation is so great then why did he spend 20 years attending a church where the reverend spewed out hatred for this country. Why is obama so eager to turn this nation into a third world country status. Why is he so eager to hand us over to the UN and NWO.
<<It was almost Reagan-esque.>> If you believe obama is even almost Reagan-esque then please come see me at low tide, I have some beach front property I would like to sell you. obama is more Marx-esque or Hitler-esque.
<<Obama isn't going to end the Constitution,>> he has already said the Constitution is defective and wants it changed so those that actually work for a living will have to hand over their hard earned money to those who want to sit around on their lazy a$$es waiting for a handout aka welfare
<<and no one is going to the camps,>> those who grovel at his feet and kiss his *** may not go to the camps, at least not until they have outlived their usefulness. Anyone who defies him and refuses to worship him will either die fighting or end up in some “re-education camp”
<<and this is not the end of democracy as we know it.>> This is the very end of democracy and our Constitution and our great country. Do you honestly think your so-called messiah (aka anti-Christ) will ever allow another election to take place.
<<People think that every election year...hasn't happened yet. And democrats do not love this nation any less than republicans, independents, or christians.>> Liberals/socialists love power more than anything else and are willing to sell their soul to the devil to attain it. May you be able to live with your choice/vote and all the destruction of what was once the greatest nation.
My brother is flying his flag upside down (nation in distress) and at half mast for the next four years for our nation died tonight. obama will never be my president nor will he have my respect. I am a patriot and will die on my feet a free woman fighting for this country rather than live on my knees as his slave.

RE: RE: RE: do YOU know who obama really is?
Posted by obamaman on Nov 05, 2008 03:56

Really, does it mean the same thing? Have you listened to the 40+ minute interview that's been available on line since January? Make sure you get the full story, not just a few sentences. He goes on to say he supports the use of “clean” coal and he is challenging the coal industry to perfect coal-sequestering to trap the carbon dioxide emissions. He also makes comments about the nuclear power industry, but no large group of voters to scare, so there's no mention of that. It is my observation that conservatives love to sip from the “cup of fear”. If you search for facts instead of believing only things that supports your current fears you might actually develop your own educated opinion instead of allowing someone else to develop an opinion for you. Fear is a powerful emotion and makes you very vulnerable to being controlled. Knowledge empowers you and reduces your vulnerability.

Reply to: an364907
It means the same thing.Duh!!!!!!

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Time
Posted by obamaman on Nov 05, 2008 03:15

I suggest you find an unbiased source for "news", then research what you read. I've looked at the "news" on this site and something is missing. There isn't a single piece of negative information regarding McCain/Palin. These are politicians, they all have and do make mistakes and make statements of half truths or complete untruths. Double check fear laden opinions you read for accuracy at sites like http://factcheck.org/ before you choose to believe any story good or bad. Then you'll be better informed and know if you should fear what you've read.

Reply to: an364907
Just read the news from WND.

Victory!
Posted by sniffage on Nov 05, 2008 01:31

you fixated on hyperbole from an urban preacher, fantasies of a birth certificate, an acquaintance with a 60's radical, and whether the candidate is a secrete Muslim.
For eight years Bush has been along for the ride. He showed no leadership or intellectual insight. He let political and corporate operatives dictate policy and walk away with most of the treasury. The free market zealots sold you on the idea that we should compete with manual labor of the third world. Bush blew the budget, compromised your civil liberties, betrayed the middle class, and burned diplomatic bridges. It takes intellectual horsepower to defeat your enemies and to compete. Neither McCain or Bush were fit for the challenge.
Republicans ARE the big spenders, big government, and divisive politics.
Obama is the intelligent choice. He has actually read the Constitution. He is responsible for his success. If not for their Dads, we wouldn't have heard of Bush or McCain.
i've been hanging out too long in right wing world. I need to shower.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: History just keeps repeating itself....
Posted by gh123 on Nov 05, 2008 01:07

Sentiments like yours really sadden me. See, even if McCain had won the election, i would have been proud that our nation went to the polls, exercised its voice, and made a decision. Proud of the exercise of democracy, even if it was a choice I did not prefer. I wouldn't be fearing the worst, assuming the demise of my nation, and making paranoid assertions about the "camps." Your comments about the UN and the"new world order" are totally misguided. People have been fearing the onset of the NWO for a decade now, talking about the camps and black helicopters, the martial law and the death of the Constitution. We haven't taken a single step toward that.

Please don't insult me or anyone else who may have voted for Obama by referring to him as my "messiah." No one other than possibly Al Sharpton-types have ever used that phrase, and then it was only to make a point (still an inappropriate comparison). Websites like this one, of course, have used the term and wrongly attempt to paint all Obama supporters with that brush.

i can easily live with my choice. Obama supports helping the poor, the sick, the oppressed, and won't give preferential treatment to the rich while people in this nation can't buy food or heat their homes. He believes in the dignity of all humanity, not just the select. He won't wage war indiscriminately and cause the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents. Those are biblical principles.

Reply to: sp25306
<<But didn't you get a sense of patriotism from listening to Obama's speech?>> When I hear obama speak I am filled with despair and fear. obama is about as patriotic and the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia or Kim Jong-il of North Korea.
<<That was amazing, full of hope, realistic enough to acknowledge that it will be hard work getting us to where we need to be as a nation, but calling out the fact that we are, indeed, a great nation. It sparked a sense of pride.>> If obama thinks this nation is so great then why did he spend 20 years attending a church where the reverend spewed out hatred for this country. Why is obama so eager to turn this nation into a third world country status. Why is he so eager to hand us over to the UN and NWO.
<<It was almost Reagan-esque.>> If you believe obama is even almost Reagan-esque then please come see me at low tide, I have some beach front property I would like to sell you. obama is more Marx-esque or Hitler-esque.
<<Obama isn't going to end the Constitution,>> he has already said the Constitution is defective and wants it changed so those that actually work for a living will have to hand over their hard earned money to those who want to sit around on their lazy a$$es waiting for a handout aka welfare
<<and no one is going to the camps,>> those who grovel at his feet and kiss his *** may not go to the camps, at least not until they have outlived their usefulness. Anyone who defies him and refuses to worship him will either die fighting or end up in some “re-education camp”
<<and this is not the end of democracy as we know it.>> This is the very end of democracy and our Constitution and our great country. Do you honestly think your so-called messiah (aka anti-Christ) will ever allow another election to take place.
<<People think that every election year...hasn't happened yet. And democrats do not love this nation any less than republicans, independents, or christians.>> Liberals/socialists love power more than anything else and are willing to sell their soul to the devil to attain it. May you be able to live with your choice/vote and all the destruction of what was once the greatest nation.
My brother is flying his flag upside down (nation in distress) and at half mast for the next four years for our nation died tonight. obama will never be my president nor will he have my respect. I am a patriot and will die on my feet a free woman fighting for this country rather than live on my knees as his slave.

RE: RE: RE: RE: History just keeps repeating itself....
Posted by sp25306 on Nov 05, 2008 00:36

<<But didn't you get a sense of patriotism from listening to Obama's speech?>> When I hear obama speak I am filled with despair and fear. obama is about as patriotic and the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia or Kim Jong-il of North Korea.
<<That was amazing, full of hope, realistic enough to acknowledge that it will be hard work getting us to where we need to be as a nation, but calling out the fact that we are, indeed, a great nation. It sparked a sense of pride.>> If obama thinks this nation is so great then why did he spend 20 years attending a church where the reverend spewed out hatred for this country. Why is obama so eager to turn this nation into a third world country status. Why is he so eager to hand us over to the UN and NWO.
<<It was almost Reagan-esque.>> If you believe obama is even almost Reagan-esque then please come see me at low tide, I have some beach front property I would like to sell you. obama is more Marx-esque or Hitler-esque.
<<Obama isn't going to end the Constitution,>> he has already said the Constitution is defective and wants it changed so those that actually work for a living will have to hand over their hard earned money to those who want to sit around on their lazy a$$es waiting for a handout aka welfare
<<and no one is going to the camps,>> those who grovel at his feet and kiss his *** may not go to the camps, at least not until they have outlived their usefulness. Anyone who defies him and refuses to worship him will either die fighting or end up in some “re-education camp”
<<and this is not the end of democracy as we know it.>> This is the very end of democracy and our Constitution and our great country. Do you honestly think your so-called messiah (aka anti-Christ) will ever allow another election to take place.
<<People think that every election year...hasn't happened yet. And democrats do not love this nation any less than republicans, independents, or christians.>> Liberals/socialists love power more than anything else and are willing to sell their soul to the devil to attain it. May you be able to live with your choice/vote and all the destruction of what was once the greatest nation.
My brother is flying his flag upside down (nation in distress) and at half mast for the next four years for our nation died tonight. obama will never be my president nor will he have my respect. I am a patriot and will die on my feet a free woman fighting for this country rather than live on my knees as his slave.

Reply to: gh123
But didn't you get a sense of patriotism from listening to Obama's speech? That was amazing, full of hope, realistic enough to acknowledge that it will be hard work getting us to where we need to be as a nation, but calling out the fact that we are, indeed, a great nation. It sparked a sense of pride. It was almost Reagan-esque. Obama isn't going to end the Constitution, and no one is going to the camps, and this is not the end of democracy as we know it. People think that every election year...hasn't happened yet. And democrats do not love this nation any less than republicans, independents, or christians.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: History just keeps repeating itself....
Posted by gh123 on Nov 05, 2008 00:31

Well, I think its way to early to call anything any candidate said "lies and propaganda." Wait til the man gets into office and backtracks on something, at least! He didn't say anything in his speech that could be placed in the category of a "promise" in his speech - thus, yes, i do believe what he said. So does at least 52% of the voters who participated in this election. Are we taken in by his charisma? Hardly. But its nice to hear someone offering hope and talking about the good of this country instead of listening to someone fear monger and stumble all over themselves. When its 2012 and we are gearing up for the next presidential election, I hope you remember your prediction and that you will be willing to acknowledge how off base you were.

Reply to: Joy
Don't make me ill. I would not listen to any speech he gave, just like Bush everything he has said has been all lies and propaganda. Makes me want to puke thinking about it. You sound like you have been hypnotized by him just like all the rest of the starry eyed fainting teenagers with crowd mentality. You obviously think he is telling the truth. I think he would say and do anything to get what he wants, even by getting it illegally and stomping on anyone who gets in his way. Maybe I know something you don't know and it looks like quite a bit more. Just reading your post makes me sick to think so many more like you out there. You will eat your words, as long as you play his game you will survive, but don't ever go against him. Take your honey dripping rhetoric to some one who gives a rats butt.